One of the things I love about gardening is that you’re always learning. There are always new things to discover. And sometimes I find out that I’m wrong, which is pretty valuable in itself. This post is one of those occasions. I thought I knew the answer, but I didn’t.
It started with this email from newsletter reader Alan.
… there is a question I hope you’ll be able to answer if you have the time, as I’m getting conflicting advice. I have access to an ongoing supply of horse manure, and I fill my compost bins up with it, also topped up with regular supplies of grass cuttings throughout the summer. In autumn, I merge these bins into one and leave the one pile over winter. In spring I spread the by now well rotted compost onto the garden prior to planting. Is this too much manure for the garden doing this on a yearly basis? Some sites say well rotted manure is only beneficial, others say it can result in too much potassium and insufficient nitrogen.
What are your thoughts?
My reply (edited slightly),
Back before the motor car, the market gardeners of Paris would pay boys to collect the horse droppings from the streets. This would be composted which, for some reason, involved men stomping through it in bare feet with trousers rolled up – definitely a contender for the worst jobs in history award! Although it did keep their feet warm in winter.
Once well rotted, the manure would be laid on the plot and the crops sown. Each year the plots grew thicker and some were metres higher than when taken on due to layer upon of layer of manure. The quality of the produce was renowned, even in London.
The benefits of manure are not just the macro-nutrients, NPK, a lot are due to the organic matter’s effects on the soil. Improved ecosystem, more worms working below the surface and better water retention in dry weather, better water absorption in dry.
The only problem I’ve found using a lot of manure is the soil being so light and fluffy it can be hard to walk across without sinking below shoe level! With brassicas, you need to really tramp it down to firm them in. One other thing to watch for is the pH, just pick up a test kit and then lime if necessary.
As for diminishing levels of potassium, I simply don’t see it. Manure still rotting down can cause a temporary nitrogen depletion, but it is temporary.
There are a couple of articles on the site you might find helpful:
NPK Nutritional Values of Animal Manures & Compost Etc
Farmyard & Animal Manures to Improve Soil Fertility
Further Thoughts
Later a couple of things occurred to me, so I emailed again as I wondered if there might be Aminopyralid in the manure or a persistent selective lawn herbicide like Weed & Feed had been used on the grass.
Some time later, Alan got back to me with this.
… Last year I wrote to you regarding poor germination, spindly growth, etc. and you suggested the rotted manure I was using may be contaminated with Aminopyralid (think I got that right). I sent soil samples off to the RHS for testing, and they basically said too much manure in the soil. All the mineral elements were within safe limits. Quite surprised at this, as I’ve always mixed green and brown, and left it to well rot, but that’s the test results. They’ve advised me not to manure for at least three years. Thought it might interest you
I replied,
That’s interesting and, to me at least, unexpected. I can see how the manure could cause the soil to become too acid but hadn’t considered how an excess of the main 3 nutrients, NPK, can cause ‘lock-up’ of magnesium and presumably some other micro-nutrients. So, in the same way as we sicken for lack of vitamins, plants cannot thrive without their micro-nutrients.
When the pre-war gardeners developed the three-year rotation, manuring once in the cycle, they knew what they were doing!
Thanks for letting me know.
Further research on excess manure
Being as the weather is pretty nasty, I did a little more research on this. I think I understand how too much manure can cause problems now. In fairness to me, it’s a pretty unusual problem that I’ve not suffered. Even when I was lucky enough to get some manure mountains delivered after my neighbour cleaned out his lambing shed.
The real problem with too much manure isn’t excess nitrogen. Whilst too much nitrogen can scorch roots, which is why you shouldn’t use poultry manure with its high nitrogen levels directly on the soil, it doesn’t remain in the soil that long. NO3 is the most plant-available form, but also the quickest to disappear.
It can leach out with water or get used up by microbes, so it ceases to be a problem in a matter of a couple of weeks.
Ammonium (NH4), remains longer because it binds to soil particles. This can take a couple of months to reduce to harmless levels.
How long these last depends on a number of factors:
- Soil type; sandy soils leach nitrogen more quickly than heavy clays.
- Water; heavy rain or irrigation will basically wash out nitrogen.
- Weather; warm weather with lots of moisture in the soil will help microbes ‘eat’ the excess nitrogen.
- Plants; a lot of plants growing foliage will utilise the soil nitrogen quickly.
The Main Problem – Phosphorus
The real problem with excess manure is phosphorus. When large amounts of manure are applied to soil, especially poultry, dairy, or pig manure—the phosphorus (P) concentration can exceed the soil’s capacity to utilise or immobilise it.
Unlike nitrogen, which cycles rapidly through volatilisation and microbial processes as mentioned above, phosphorus is relatively immobile and tends to accumulate in the upper soil horizons. The upper horizons are where plants get most of their nutrients and where soil structure has the most effect on plant growth.
1. Chemical Fixation and Saturation
Under normal conditions, phosphorus binds to aluminium, iron, and calcium compounds in the soil, forming moderately stable complexes. However, when manure is applied in excess, these binding sites become saturated. Once saturation occurs, additional phosphorus remains in more readily plant-available forms, increasing the risk of nutrient imbalances.
2. Antagonistic Effects on Micronutrient Uptake
Arguably the most serious problem, high concentrations of plant-available phosphorus can interfere with the absorption of specific micronutrients, particularly:
- Zinc (Zn)
- Iron (Fe)
- Manganese (Mn)
This occurs through competitive inhibition at the root surface and through metabolic interactions within the plant. Elevated phosphorus levels can suppress the expression of transport proteins responsible for micronutrient uptake, leading to functional deficiencies even when the soil contains adequate amounts of those micronutrients.
3. Physiological Consequences for Plants
Micronutrient deficiencies induced by high phosphorus levels commonly manifest as:
- Interveinal chlorosis – yellowing of the leaves between the veins, especially with Fe and Mn deficiency
- Reduced root elongation
- Stunted shoot growth
- Delayed maturity
Because phosphorus is essential for energy transfer, which uses adenosine triphosphate, plants may continue to grow initially, masking early symptoms. Over time, however, the micronutrient imbalances become limiting factors for metabolic processes such as photosynthesis and enzyme activation.
In short: Excess phosphorus doesn’t directly poison plants, but it starves them of other nutrients they need to thrive.
How much is too much manure?
For most growers, too much manure just isn’t a problem. Most just haven’t that much manure available. I’ve used a wheelbarrow (80 litres) of well-rotted manure per square metre when growing cauliflowers, with great results. The amount you can use on your plot will depend on what sort of soil you have and the base nutrient levels in that soil.
I think that applying a wheelbarrow load per square meter every three years should generally not cause any of the problems of excess manure.




Re; horse manure.
What are your thoughts on residual horse wormers in the manure?
These are also used to prevent bot fly infestation in the horse.
Only I have been hearing and observing, how muck heaps are not covered in flies like they used to be, possibly because the wormers stop the hard chitin exoskeleton on flies from growing.
Could there be a ‘knock on ‘ effect to soil insects and worms.
It could be a possibility, and may be worth investigating.
As dog flea treatments have been found in streams in the highlands leading to the death of insect larvae and therefore fish food.
Margaret
Not something I know about, sorry. You could try Google Scholar to see what peer-reviewed scientific studies there are on the subject.
Interesting about chicken manure. I have a couple of hens in the back garden on wood chippings in the run and straw in the house and nesting area. I was told that chicken manure could burn the plants and was too strong. I do put some into the general compost bin but I have so much of the stuff. I decided to try bagging it and leaving it over winter to see if it would be a useable manure next year. It would be interesting to know if you think this is going to ‘work’.
If it’s well rotted and used sparingly, I think it will be all right. I know some farmers in the past stored the chicken manure with wood ashes and used it as a fertiliser on the fields. If you’ve a woodburner, that could be worth trying out.
Brilliant – I do have a wood burner and at the moment I just use the ash mixed with compost and diatomaceous earth for the chickens winter dustbaths. I always have too much woodash so I will give this a go!
Many thanks.
What about chemicals in manures from veterinary and other sources? And I would watch ash from a burner especially if that’s combined with smokeless fuel. Worth checking that out.
Thanks for quoting me John, I feel quite famous now.
I’ve left off manuring my garden since we corresponded, and have seen some improvement. Not back to normal, but definitely improved. Hell of a lot of chickweed this year though! Your article about phosphorus explains things which I didn’t understand before, thanks for that
I think the thanks are due from me, Alan. I learned a lot researching the topic. I did wonder how those Parisian market gardeners managed to get away with using so much manure, but I think it was the volume they grew – sucking up excess nutrients.
Hello John,
I use a 4 year rotation; potatoes, followed by roots, followed by legumes, followed by brassicas. I add manure to the potato and legume beds and so manure gets added in alternate years. I use fish, blood and bone on the other beds and lime on the brassica bed. Seems to work for me.
Regarding “The only problem I’ve found using a lot of manure is the soil being so light and fluffy it can be hard to walk across without sinking below shoe level!”, I get round that as I use 4 foot beds and never walk on them.
Cheers.
Alan.